I guess this is the question I'm getting at. Obviously the group started under the banner of permanent paleo/permaculture community and feralculture will no doubt be kind of stuck with that. Using feralculture is going to be seen as a nod to permaculture, hence the need to clarify or at least think out loud on the subject. But seeing as how there is some really entrenched emotions and connections to the subject, this is the kind of thing that will make the term either more appealing to some or less appealing to others.
I ask about this out of sincerity because I don't see permaculture as a vital or solitary alternative. And I find that many use it simply as a "well this is our way out" kind of failsafe, but have increasingly disregarded any critique or nuance about the actual history of the DR world that horticulture creates and that permaculture, at best, hopes to attain.
I haven't seen that, but at the same time, this is what I've been getting at as well. Permaculture is established and has been well before anyone was trying to sell it into Wal-Mart. My first introduction came over a decade ago by people telling me they were going to save the world by planting fig trees in their yard.
The problem isn't that there is no one in the permaculture camp who gets the bigger picture, it's just that there's nothing about permaculture that necessarily lends to one direction over the other. There's a chasm between your application of it and someone like Matthew's, but as long as those divisions are going to be claiming a right to the use of the term, it's just a mish-mash and one that is completely unappealing to a person like me.
Permaculture unquestionably comes from a backdrop of "permanent agriculture" and it's not going to shed that without serious intentionality. But those waters are very, very muddy and in need of clarification if there is any use.
I get that this seems like I'm prodding an out of sight wound and beating the shit out of a dead horse, but if "feralculture" is the genesis of discussions about the direction permaculture can or should head in and a discussion about the synthesis of rewilding and things like the anarcho-primitivist critique of civilization, then it's best to say that now then to have another discussion five years from now about whether feralculture was meant to imply permaculture or die hard rewilding.